The sadistic streak in my nature has enjoyed many of your undoubted agonies in selecting which tunes to give the nod to in this week’s match-ups.  It’s really interesting that so many of you are doing what I was hoping the competition would do and that’s have the votes cast on a ‘song v song’ basis rather than simply going for the favourite act of the two.  It’s fair to say that, for the first time ever, every song up for grabs in a given week is attracting votes in quantity…

The half-time scores can now be revealed (after 36 comments):-

New Order 22 v The Fall 13
Talking Heads 14 v The Housemartins 20
The Velvet Underground 13 v The Clash 19
The Jesus and Mary Chain 20 v The The 14

As mentioned last week, the half time songs in this round will feature actual club songs and I’ve gone surfing around youtube to find this week’s offering just to keep CC happy:-

mp3 : Marie Osmond – Paper Roses

I have no idea why fans of Kilmarnock FC have adoped this as their anthem…….

Oh and please remember….if you haven’t voted yet for this week’s ties, you have until 10pm this coming Friday.

Oh…..I did say there was more…..

There has been a particularly offensive interview given to a journo by Morrissey. The full thing, if really do wish to torture yourself, can be found here.

Among the gems of wisdom are:-

“And as far as racism goes, the modern Loony Left seem to forget that Hitler was Left wing! But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless. It’s just a way of changing the subject. When someone calls you racist, what they are saying is ”hmm, you actually have a point, and I don’t know how to answer it, so perhaps if I distract you by calling you a bigot we’ll both forget how enlightened your comment was.”

“Nothing I say is provocative. They are just facts.”

“If animals spoke English then no one would eat them. You see, racism is at its most abhorrent in relation to eating animals. If you eat animals, isn’t it a display of hatred for a certain species? And what gives you the right to eat another species or race? Would you eat people from Sri Lanka?”

“London is debased. The Mayor of London tells us about ”Neighborhood policin ” – what is ‘policin’? He tells us London is an ”amazin ” city. What is ‘amazin’? This is the Mayor of London! And he cannot talk properly! I saw an interview where he was discussing mental health, and he repeatedly said ”men’el ” … he could not say the words ‘mental health’. The Mayor of London! Civilisation is over!”

“London is second only to Bangladesh for acid attacks. All of the attacks are non-white, and so they cannot be truthfully addressed by the British government or the Met Police or the BBC because of political correctness. What this means is that the perpetrator is considered to be as much of a victim as the actual victim. We live in the Age of Atrocity.”

“Diverse opinion is banned in England, debate is over. The most offensive thing you can do in modern Britain is to have an opinion and to talk clearly.”

He also expressed his concern that the ultra-right, anti-Islam political group For Britain does not get fair representation in the UK media….

There are fans out there who continue to justify support for him, although the increasing move is now to say that you have to separate the art from the artist…in other words let it be just about the music and not the person.

Sorry folks, as Hall & Oates once sang, I Can’t Go For That (No Can Do)….and so it is with a heavy heart that in addition to the original decision to exclude Morrissey from this ICA World Cup, I’m now kicking out The Smiths and awarding a bye to the team they are scheduled to play in the next round.

However, as I do try to run this little corner of t’internet on the basis of giving readers and contributors what they want, I’d be happy to reconsider the decision on appeal if enough of you think that’s a step too far. I’ll return to the situation this time next week…..



29 thoughts on “HALF TIME SCORES….AND MORE

  1. Last night after watching first the Stephen Lawrence documentary (which was heartbreaking and compulsive viewing) and then secondly the news about the Windrush and then thirdly reading that interview i went to the cupboard poured myself a stiff rum and deleted every singletrack I own that features Morrissey. Dead to me. Ashamed to have had been a fan.

  2. I feel sorry for Johnny Marr, but really feel the need to take all my Smiths CDs to the charity shop (if they will have them).

    Haven’t voted yet so my choices are:
    New Order (with regrets: The Fall’s body of work is far superior but this is one of New Order’s finest tracks).
    Talking Heads
    The Clash (although that was a weak team they fielded in this round)

  3. The Smiths should stay. Individuals change over time. In this case Morrissey has evolved into a horrible caricature of aged mean bigotry. It wasnt the young who voted brexit but the old who wont have to live with consequences. The aged and their prejudices always sell out the future

    But the Smiths werent that. They were youth beauty and open to all us outsiders

    Keep the music. Pity the man

  4. Rightly said, Bill! I mean, you cannot honestly blame the Marrs/Joyces/Rourkes from 35 years ago to be responsible for the crap Morrissey feels to say today, can you? Nor can you blame the younger Morrissey from 35 years ago for that, if you ask me. Also, the music counts, or at least it should, and as the combination of the four made some fine racket back then, it is not correct to let (three of) them bleed just because Morrissey turned out to be a such wanker!

    I mean, whatever next? Just imagine Mick Jones says something inappropriate next week, perhaps just because he had a glass too much, what would you do? Would you really abandon The Clash from the blog? Which band will it be in the following week?

  5. I agree with your decision regarding kicking Morrissey out, even if the rest of his team in the Smiths played no part in this interview, or, as far as we know, in any way condone Morrissey’s views.

  6. This is an opinion and I hope not to cause offence. It was Morrissey’s decision to break up the Smiths – he was always a bit of a c u next Tuesday, and if they do a reunion it should be without him. He does and should know better. There are funnier, cleverer, more humane and self-deprecating Mancunians, better singers and better frontmen. Better authors, better social and political commentators, in fact, better gay, straight, trans, bi, nonsex (hope I have included everyone) humans than Morrissey. Enoch Powell for all his faults was probably better and his prognosis symptomatic of a man born in 1912.- read his wiki if you doubt me. It does not stop what he said being wrong. The Smiths were more than Morrissey’s backing band, and Johnny Marr greater than the sum of their parts IMHO. He was 20 when they started and 23 when they ended. Just under 4 years of a long, illustrious and continuing life. Same for the others. They all fought a bitter post band legal dispute, so not likely to get back together anyway.

    Here endeth the rant.

    I respect your decision and as it is your gaff it is your rules.

  7. Money Changes Everything
    Oscillate Wildely
    The Draize Train

    All the Smiths without Morrissey
    Maybe roll a dice between those songs and keep them in?

  8. I’d keep the Smiths around. Their brief career produced some terrific music and, at least at the time, wasn’t charged with racist rhetoric or offensive political thinking. If anything, their songs went a ways towards humanizing the gay community and offered comfort to the socially disenfranchised. And, if I remember correctly, Morrissey’s anti-Thatcher stance was embraced by his contemporaries, many of whom are readers/contributors to this esteemed blog. So, I tend to look back fondly at the music of my youth and disassociate it from the obnoxious–or flat out racist or misogynistic–crap spewed by once-loved artists who no longer deserve our respect or tolerance.

    On the other hand, I have no hesitation at all about binning Morrissey. He’s lyrically talented but that’s all he’s ever been. Without the Smiths his music is okay at best and boring at worst. So I wouldn’t have cared if I never heard his solo stuff again one way or the other before he proved himself to be a complete twat. And now that he’s cemented his status as England’s most articulate racist everyone is justified in turning away.

  9. It is your blog so I respect your decision to boot out the Smiths. However I just want to say that I disagree with this as your initial decision to keep solo Morrisey out of the cup made your point and this interview backs it up. I still love the guitar work from Marr and the Smiths to me are the whole of the foursome and not just the lead singer.
    The Smiths are from a place and time much before Morrisey went full c@nt. We should enjoy them for that slice of time when they were the sound and angst of the time you discovered them

  10. New Order
    The Housemartins
    The Velvet Underground
    The Jesus and Mary Chain
    Whoever the Smiths play next

  11. Separating art from artist is so tricky! Wagner, Degas and T S Eliot were anti-semitic, PIcasso a misogynist whose track record for behaviour towards women was horrendous, Caravaggio killed a man…. we’d be a much poorer world if we shunned all good art by bad people, but I know that still doesn’t make it easy. Whatever you see fit is what you need to do, of course your place your rules as has been said already. Personally I’m swaying towards the views expressed above about the Smiths we knew and loved from long ago being a separate thing to the detestable views Morrissey is currently expressing; I’ve sort of put them in a different box!

  12. If we don’t like someone in office, we get the chance to express our displeasure at the ballot box.

    New Order
    The Housemartins
    The The

  13. Bowie flirted with fascism…Kurt Cobain had slightly nauseating views on the English….etc.

  14. If you kick them out you’ll be taking a far firmer line against racism than UEFA or FIFA ever have who just give clubs or players a little fine and say ‘don’t do it again naughty racists’. Ask John Terry. Or Luis Suarez. Or CSKA Moscow. As C says it’s tricky separating art from unpleasant artists and Morrissey has clearly gone beyond defending (he did that a while ago bit these latest statements are vile). But… As someone Dirk and others say this wasn’t The Smiths we loved, who made music for outsiders not for racists. I like jimdoes suggestion. The Smiths stay in but with the 3 instrumental Smiths songs. See how they fare. If they lose they go home. If they go through, it’s without Adolf Morrissey.

  15. leave them in and let we voters decide – to see them get a zero score would be a hoot. the Smiths were so much more than one warbly frontman.
    Would you ban a football team because of Joey Barton’s antics (perhaps I would if it was Newcastle)

  16. I’d leave them in and let the people decide. But it’s not my blog. Doubt I’ll ever write another word about the deranged idiot again though. One thing is for sure – he hasn’t had this much media attention for years. Make of that what you will…

  17. As many have said above, your blog, you decide on the rules. I’ll be leaving playing The Smiths for a bit, but will try and listen at some point in the future, and put these odious comments to one side. Don’t bother much with his solo stuff anyway (as Johnny Marr’s guitar work was what I really liked about The Smiths) – I will be bothering even less.

  18. I could never tolerate Morrissey. Looking back, he’s always been one for deliberate provocation to foster his cult of personality and his descent into pathetic racism reveals a man flailing around for the most crude and base means to attract attention at any cost. Your decision to ban him [and even The Smiths] is admirable. Now, if I could only come to grips with my continuing to listen to Bryan Ferry…

  19. One question, mate: if you kick the faggot out, does it mean The Detroit Cobras come back?!

  20. For what it’s worth I’d keep the Smiths in, but you’re the boss.

    As for this round:

    New Order
    The Mary Chain

    It’s all about the songs.

  21. I’ve been fighting fascism and racism for 40+ years now and comments from this shitbag just make it so much more difficult. I had a couple of Morrissey’s solo albums until today: they’ve been ceremoniously burned on my garden bonfire.

    An earlier contributor was correct in bringing up Bowie too: ‘pictures of swastikas in my head…..’ And Mark E Mark’s image was severely tarnished in one of his last interviews when he made derogatory comments on refugees.

    Maybe The Smiths should be replaced by The Redskins, just to reinforce the point.

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